Talk:Garden strawberry
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2005
I can not see that there is any info anywhere if this image really depictures a strawberry of the ananassa species/variety, so I removed the pic. / Habj 08:43, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
This article is really in need of some major updates, as the bulk of the information about cultivation and pests was incredibly out of date. I've made a quick attempt to fix the cultivation part, but this could be done much more artfully if some one had the time. Also, because the regions in which strawberries are cultivated have changed in the last several decades, the diseases and pests of commerical importance have as well, and this information should probably be updated if some one gets the chance (I may later if I have time.) I've left the previous information on seed propagation, but it's not really terribly relevant, as it is done rather rarely (some one may be interested, however).
I also fixed a few other things: Fragaria chiloensis did NOT come from the island of Chiloe. Frezier, who does not mention collecting it on Chiloe, refers to it as Fragaria chiliensis, and it is only Linnaeus who changes this to chiloensis (Darrow suggests that Linnaeus may have been confused as to its origin). Similarly, the statement that ananassa resulted from a cross with F. virginiana from Virginia is again reading too much into the name. No one knows for sure where and how virginiana made its way to Europe, and it likely did so at several times, from several places, before the accidental hybridization or hybridizations between chiloensis and virginiana occurred. The species has a range covering most of North America east of the Rockies, so it's impossible to say for sure that the plants involved came from Virginia. Also, no one knows for sure if this hybridization occurred in France or elsewhere in Europe, and there is some thought that it might have been in the Netherlands. Some at the time believed ananassa to be from Suriname, although that's rather unlikely. It's quite possible that it occurred multiple times in different places in Europe.
Also: 'Chandler' is not everbearing, 'Gariguette' is not Fragaria vesca. Elakazal 05:38, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
As Food
This article is missing info about Strawberries as Food, from the point of view of the user/eater. Why are big agribusiness strawberries so tasteless? Why are small wild ones so flavorful?
What are the best storage conditions for ripe fruit, to keep as long as possible? In the refrigerator? 69.87.201.12 00:55, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Are commercial strawberries much larger than 20 years ago? 216.75.170.81 19:39, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Most other fruits and vegetables have their content in nutrition as a percentage of a DRI scale but strawberries simply provide the amount of grams per cup. I don't think this is very helpful in comparison to other pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.158.85.143 (talk) 07:25, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
so many pics
hey there, there are a lot of pictures that are not very different from each other, can we delete some of them?Truetom (talk) 18:39, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
- I've removed one, feel free to be bold and remove more if you'd like. WLU (talk) 21:24, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Page move, merge
I 'moved' the page (there was a redirect, so I had to cut and paste move. The reason was MOS:CAPS - I couldn't see a reason to capitalize 'Strawberry'.
Also, should this page be merged with strawberry? Are there that many cultivars of strawberries? WLU (talk) 21:24, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
- i agree that it's a bit confusing to have the two articles and there is a lot of redundancy. most people who speak of strawberries probably mean the modern cultivated form that is treated in this article. i support the merger.Truetom (talk) 17:31, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
History Section Full of Speculation
Much of this section is inaccurate and or speculation.
ORIGINAL TEXT:
1)Though originally from the New World, strawberries were considered poisonous in Argentina until the mid-nineteenth century.
2)Popular etymology has it that the name "straw" berry comes from gardeners' practice of mulching strawberries with straw to protect the fruits from rot (a pseudoetymology that can be found in non-linguistic sources such as the Old Farmer's Almanac 2005).
&2)There is an alternative, albeit equally implausible, theory that the name derives from the Anglo-Saxon verb for "strew" (meaning to spread around) which was streabergen (Strea means "strew" and Bergen means "berry" or "fruit") and thence to streberie, straiberie, strauberie, straubery, strauberry, and finally, "strawberry", the word which we use today. The name might have come from the fact that the fruit and various runners appear "strewn" along the ground. However, there is no evidence that the Anglo-Saxons ever grew strawberries, and even less that they knew of this practice, as strawberries are originally from the Americas.
3)Most likely, strawberries received their name from the long-time practice of packing the delicate fruit in straw.
COMMENTS":
1)Strawberries are native to most of the northern hemisphere, including Europe & Britain. The garden strawberry is simply a hybrid of North and South American varieties. Were the native strawberries of Argentina considered poisonous or the garden hybrids,specifically grown for food in Europe? The later would seem unlikely. Is there a source for that statement?
2)What is "implausible" about this etymology? It is supported by the Oxford English Dictionary. Particularly in the lineage of the word from streberi(g)e (1000) to strauberiis (1328-29) to streberie (1340-1450) to streberes (1541) to strawberyes (1542)to strawberies (1620).
3)Clearly, from the above, the word has been in use for wild strawberries, including the "wild" strawberries which were cultivated*, since long before the hybrid that created the modern "garden" version and modern agriculture necesitated their packing in straw - this seems purely conjecture. Were they packed in straw in the year 1000?
The World Book Encyclopedia indicates that strawberries were cultivated by the ancient Romans. *The Oxford English Dictionary sites a source from 1620 that states: "The wilde or voluntary strawberies..are not so good as those that are manured in gardens." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drayke (talk • contribs) 02:16, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
SOME RESPONSES
1) I deleted the "though originally from the New World" statement. They're not native to Argentina, so it's not really relevant anyway. I too doubt the veracity of the claim. 2) I removed the "implausible" bit. This seems to me to be the closest thing to an accepted etymology, though there doesn't seem to be a consensus. The bit about Anglo-Saxons not knowing about them because they were from the Americas has been removed, since that's nonsense. Although evidence is pretty limited, the name appears on lists of plant names as early as the 10th century, so it seems likely the Anglo-Saxons were aware of it, and probably collecting it from the wild, if not cultivating it. 3) The evidence for the "packing in straw" idea has always seemed very thin to me. I changed this to represent it as one explanation, not the preferred one.
I disagree with the World Book's claim that strawberries were cultivated by the ancient Romans--although referenced (very occasionally) by the Romans, it is always (to my knowledge) referenced as a wild plant or medicinal herb, not as a cultivated crop.Elakazal (talk) 06:17, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Absurd statement
The article says: The Garden Strawberry was first bred in Europe in the early 14th century, and represents the accidental cross of Fragaria virginiana from eastern North America, which was noted for its flavor, and Fragaria chiloensis from Chile, which was noted for its large size.
Absurd since Europe did not discover America for such purposes until the late 15th century.
See Also
I added a "See Also" section. Since this article is about the garden strawberry, I think it's a good idea to include only the two other species that are of some agricultural use (Fragaria vesca and Fragaria moschata), rather than all 20 or so Fragaria species. AdRem (talk) 13:56, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Unique seeds
Strawberry seeds are not the small seed on the outside of the fruit. The seed looking things on the outside are really the fruit. The seeds are inside the seed like things on the outside. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.194.217.249 (talk) 03:04, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Merger proposal for Chili manzanar alto
I am recommending a merger between the gist of Chili manzanar alto, which appears to be a cultivar of white strawberry. The original author appeared to have been attempting to discuss the potential for less allergin response in white strawberry cultivars through this article. I was able to turn up some background information to help in this discussion. See: http://www.innovations-report.com/html/reports/medicine_health/report-45626.html and http://strawberriesweb.com/strawberries/Strawberry+Allergy/ Jo7hs2 (talk) 18:17, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
- I'd say go for it. This is a pretty uncontroversial merger and should fit nicely in the cultivation section. Let me know when you're done so I can delete the talk page of that article. Cheers, Rkitko (talk) 23:59, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Request for Collaboration on Major Re-Write
I'm curious... Would anybody be interested in collaborating w/me on a major re-write of this article? There really are a great deal of issues with this article, and they need to be solved. I think that the best way to carry this out would be a complete re-write. Jo7hs2 (talk) 18:37, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
I would like to see a section on home gardening, ie, what kind of soil to plant them in, should you use the ground or a pot, etc. -- Kheider (talk) 19:32, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Big piece of missing info
Do strawberries grow on a vine or on a bush? I've heard people say different things, and can't find a consensus online. There's no basic description of a strawberry (e.g. "heart-shaped, red when ripe, seeds on the outside, grows on vince/bush"). Is there an expert who can cite an impeccable flora reference? --207.237.223.118 (talk) 21:49, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, this should be described. I don't know where to get actual sources, but the answer is neither. Strawberries are herbaceous perennials. The plants are low-lying and spread via runners which don't climb. I would call them groundcover. 63.87.189.17 (talk) 18:14, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Fruit or not fruit, that is the question
Someone sometime added the sentence
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- Accessory fruits are also termed, rather inaptly, false or spurious fruits"<ref name=Esau/>, but a strawberry is a true fruit.
I deleted the words "rather inaptly" since they reflect a biased point-of-view (POV): if some botanists define "fruit" that way, we should only record the fact without passing judgement.
The second part of the sentence, "but a strawberry is a true fruit" is also POV: those who call it "false fruit" presumably would not agree that it is a "true fruit", so that phrase is essentially sayng that the opinion of those people is irrelevant. Since there is a reference for the first part, but not for the second, I have deleted the latter.
Instead, I have emphasized that the word "fruit" has a common meaning and a technical mening, and the latter may or may not include the strawberry. All the best, --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 03:46, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
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- That sentence was a quote from Esau, one of the quintessential botanists. She was recording the inapt usage, not condoning it. "rather inaptly" is part of the quote, so shouldn't be removed. I'm removing the statement that botanists call them false fruit. Nadiatalent (talk) 21:18, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your time.